I just participated in an interesting online seminar put on by My Venture Pad, featuring three people in the know about social media for business: Steve Mann, Jeremiah Owyang and Seth Godin.

Here are my notes.  You can also find more material, as well as a replay of the whole seminar, here on Steve Mann’s blog.

  • what’s social media? Jeremiah: easy to use web tools that lets anyone share ideas online
  • media can’t be social, people are social
  • the power of information has shifted to a wider, broader base, as a result, communities are sharing
  • Seth: 100 years ago, mass marketing was born: impersonal ads to people who didn’t want them. The idea that you can buy attention is new - and is disappearing again. Now, we need marketing from 1880 or 1592 but not marketing from 1960
  • we have to get out of the idea of marketing = advertising
  • Steve: we need to drive customer intimacy; want to be closer, more connected to our customers, want to co-create with customers. E.g. customer recommendation system
  • Question: What social media monitoring system should a business use? How do you keep track of people talking about you online?
  • Jeremiah: Not much out there right now – only free and haphazard systems like Google alert and very expensive large scale systems
  • companies should think about employing community managers and social media strategists; it’s a PR expense that can replace advertising expense
  • Question: what about bogging
  • Seth: before you blog, think about the people (stakeholders), your objectives, and your marketing strategies. Where does a blog fit in?
  • the problem with marketers as we know them is they don’t necessarily bring humility - but now, with social media, they need it. How much can you do for the people with whom you interact?
  • in the digital world, the more they do for their users, the more they get
  • the enemy online is not piracy, it’s obscurity
  • Steve: we’re going to do whatever we can to earn attention. People who earn the attention are the ones who monetize
  • the credibility factor is extremely important in driving the brand
  • customers want a thick pipe to provide feedback
  • build a community of power users who influence and support one another
  • research shows: prospects who engage in community interaction at the beginning are more likely to convert
  • Jeremiah: The future is in the distributed web - wherever customers decide to go (as opposed to where you want them to be)
  • how do you get started? Hard costs aren’t high. Soft cost: labour involved in interfacing with customer
  • figure out - what kinds of tools are your community using? how do your customers use your web participation ladder?
  • Question: why do blogs matter?
  • Seth: if you go to social media to “get new business” the old way, it won’t work very well
  • internet is a great way to keep in touch with people you already know but not a good way to “interrupt” people
  • if you want to get to know new people through the web, what are you giving them? (don’t be an insurance salesman - people won’t want to do business with you)
  • blogs matter because everyone can talk now, anybody can say anything about any topic. That means we have given a global voice to everyone. That changes everything
  • now word of mouth is huge
  • if you’re a small company, this is tremendous
  • e.g. Joel on Software, a small company, has managed to influence big companies
  • his writings help customers
  • it’s about conversation. Don’t be a narcissist.
  • problem with traditional CEOs blogging: they are self involved, they can’t write, they have a hard time being generous, they don’t acknowledge other people
  • you need to get kindliness and candour into your vocabulary
  • Steve on co-creation: if we invite customers on the types of content that we should provide, then the customer takes ownership over the problem and the solution
  • make it a relevant and delightful experience for them, as well as entertaining
  • Jeremiah: Microsoft rewards experts/customers
  • much better chance to build a new product if you allow collaboration.
  • have customers join in internal conversations
  • how do you reward customers? Give them access to information, let them look behind the curtain, have their name attached to the product, they’ll defend your product
  • Steve: management needs to be changed because of this, this is a new management style
  • Seth: what about PR, and how can PR be transparent?
  • PR can mean managing your company so that people talk about you in a certain way
  • PR can mean publicity. You hammer on the media until they write about you
  • but that doesn’t work in social media
  • the easiest PR is e.g. when you make a video that is irresistible, when something is really newsworthy
  • e.g. Apple iPhone, they made a product that people became obsessed about and then people started blogging. Very little marketing from Apple
  • the most important a marketer can do is to refuse to promote a product that’s not worth it
  • that’ll raise the game of production
  • Question: what about negative experiences that are being blogged about?
  • Jeremiah: have someone on point, that person’s job is to create a process: what’s the best way to have a conversation about it online?
  • always respond and respond with passion. Just let them know that you hear them even if you can’t do anything about it.
  • and of course not all conversations are constantly positive
  • sometimes there is more value in the negative comments, helps build better products
  • research on customer loyalty: if complaint is handled well, this increases customer loyalty
  • Jeremiah: the power has shifted. What power? The power of trust.
  • earlier, companies talked at customers. Now, social media allows people to interact with each other about a product
  • Forrester research: opinion of a friend: 83% trustworthiness. Online review by a blogger: 30%
  • Question: are there companies that should stay away from social media?
  • Seth: most organizations should stay away from social media
  • if it’s just an add-on, if it’s not in your DNA, don’t do it
  • there are industries where it’s inappropriate to be transparent: monopolies, the CIA
  • if you can’t do it well, don’t do it
  • Steve: the millenials think differently and social media is perfect for them
  • but companies need to understand how this works
  • Question: what about non profits?
  • Seth: Looking at the top 40 non-profits. All of them are the same compared to a few decades ago, except for 3. It’s the opposite for corporations.
  • it’s a slow moving industry that resists change tremendously. They have a very conservative governing body.
  • they need to start with measurable projects that are likely to succeed. Don’t do the tempting stuff because you don’t want to “burn” your customer
  • Question: examples of companies that are doing well with social media?
  • Threadless - all their t-shirt designs are done by their customers [note: I immediately went there and spent money. Their system sure works on me!)
  • it works because they’re doing this because they believe in it. Generally, a small company like this has a better time with social media
  • Dell’s ideastorm
  • Last question: What’s the first thing to remember when thinking about social marketing?
  • Jeremiah: let go
  • Steve: evolution not revolution
  • Seth: be remarkable